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		<title>Comment on Never Waste a Project Lull by Vicky</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/never-waste-a-project-lull/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of Eric Reiss&#039;s quip in relation to experience: &quot;if you say you&#039;ve got 10 years UX experience, it may mean you&#039;ve had 1 year of experience 10 times&quot;). Experience ain&#039;t anything without critique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of Eric Reiss&#8217;s quip in relation to experience: &#8220;if you say you&#8217;ve got 10 years UX experience, it may mean you&#8217;ve had 1 year of experience 10 times&#8221;). Experience ain&#8217;t anything without critique.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 9/11 Year 10: My 9/11 Experience by Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/911-year-10-my-911-experience/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so right. Life isn&#039;t what we planned nor is it fair. You were lucky. I had my own 9/11 experience.... In 1997 when I lost both my husband and father in a matter of months.  I never imagined that life would be like that and leave me widowed and a single mother of two young children.  But looking back I can see how life has gone on with new opportunities for joy and love.  Soooooo... Do cherish every day with the ones you love. Life is too short and precious to waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right. Life isn&#8217;t what we planned nor is it fair. You were lucky. I had my own 9/11 experience&#8230;. In 1997 when I lost both my husband and father in a matter of months.  I never imagined that life would be like that and leave me widowed and a single mother of two young children.  But looking back I can see how life has gone on with new opportunities for joy and love.  Soooooo&#8230; Do cherish every day with the ones you love. Life is too short and precious to waste.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Save Save As by Smitty</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/save-save-as/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, &quot;Save a Copy As…&quot; did just that: saved the state of the current document to a file, but did not switch to it. &quot;Save As…&quot; by way of contrast, saved the copy, closed the active document, and kept the copy open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, &#8220;Save a Copy As…&#8221; did just that: saved the state of the current document to a file, but did not switch to it. &#8220;Save As…&#8221; by way of contrast, saved the copy, closed the active document, and kept the copy open.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Save Save As by Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/save-save-as/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some thoughts:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;It is indeed a new-ish paradigm. So re-purposing old File menu commands with existing mental models doesn&#039;t make sense.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Also bear in mind that the APIs for versioning are not forced upon an application. It&#039;s up to the developer whether or not to use them. That means there needs to be two obviously different sets of File menu commands. One that involves versioning, and one that doesn&#039;t. Otherwise the user won&#039;t have a clue when an app supports it.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Versioning, I would argue, is actually quite common. It&#039;s just that most people do it through informal methods (like appending &quot;-V2&quot; to file names) that require a lot of mental effort to keep track of things.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;(What the difference between Save As and Save a Copy As are unclear to me.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This difference is related to &lt;em&gt;Duplicate&lt;/em&gt;. Say you have &quot;File-A&quot; open and have made a bunch of changes. &lt;em&gt;Save As&lt;/em&gt; effectively means &quot;take the current state of File-A and let me save it as File-B which is to be opened, returning File-A to its last saved state and closing it.&quot; Whereas &lt;em&gt;Save a Copy As&lt;/em&gt; means &quot;take the current state of File-A, duplicate it into a new file which I will name but not open, and keep File-A in its current state.&quot; &lt;em&gt;Save As&lt;/em&gt; destroys the changes to File-A. &lt;em&gt;Save a Copy As&lt;/em&gt; does not. &lt;em&gt;Duplicate&lt;/em&gt; is much like the latter in that the changes to the first file are still present, but could be undone. But an important difference is the copy hasn&#039;t actually been saved. It&#039;s opened as an usaved copy which may or may not be continued as a fork from the first document. Duplicate is actually giving you &lt;strong&gt;broader&lt;/strong&gt; workflow options than either Save As or Save a Copy As.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts:</p>
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<li>It is indeed a new-ish paradigm. So re-purposing old File menu commands with existing mental models doesn&#8217;t make sense.</li>
<li>Also bear in mind that the APIs for versioning are not forced upon an application. It&#8217;s up to the developer whether or not to use them. That means there needs to be two obviously different sets of File menu commands. One that involves versioning, and one that doesn&#8217;t. Otherwise the user won&#8217;t have a clue when an app supports it.</li>
<li>Versioning, I would argue, is actually quite common. It&#8217;s just that most people do it through informal methods (like appending &#8220;-V2&#8243; to file names) that require a lot of mental effort to keep track of things.</li>
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<blockquote>(What the difference between Save As and Save a Copy As are unclear to me.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This difference is related to <em>Duplicate</em>. Say you have &#8220;File-A&#8221; open and have made a bunch of changes. <em>Save As</em> effectively means &#8220;take the current state of File-A and let me save it as File-B which is to be opened, returning File-A to its last saved state and closing it.&#8221; Whereas <em>Save a Copy As</em> means &#8220;take the current state of File-A, duplicate it into a new file which I will name but not open, and keep File-A in its current state.&#8221; <em>Save As</em> destroys the changes to File-A. <em>Save a Copy As</em> does not. <em>Duplicate</em> is much like the latter in that the changes to the first file are still present, but could be undone. But an important difference is the copy hasn&#8217;t actually been saved. It&#8217;s opened as an usaved copy which may or may not be continued as a fork from the first document. Duplicate is actually giving you <strong>broader</strong> workflow options than either Save As or Save a Copy As.
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		<title>Comment on Save Save As by octothorpe</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/save-save-as/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>octothorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy way to see where your file is: 

Command click on the title. 

The icon next to the title is actually a proxy for the icon in the finder, so you can, if you wish, use it to drag the file somewhere else (move), or to view it in another app (by dragging the icon to another app&#039;s icon)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy way to see where your file is: </p>
<p>Command click on the title. </p>
<p>The icon next to the title is actually a proxy for the icon in the finder, so you can, if you wish, use it to drag the file somewhere else (move), or to view it in another app (by dragging the icon to another app&#8217;s icon)</p>
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		<title>Comment on 9/11 Year 10: My 9/11 Experience by Niklas</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/911-year-10-my-911-experience/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Niklas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this Dan. Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this Dan. Really.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Save Save As by Dan Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/save-save-as/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use &quot;Save As&quot; for a completely different purpose: to show me where my file lives on my computer.  This is something that I learned on Windows before migrating over to a Mac a decade ago, but worked quite well in OSX until the Lion release.  Today in TextEdit, I was flabbergasted that I couldn&#039;t figure out how to view the path to my open file without renaming it or leaving the app and doing a search for it.  [I have since figured out that you can right-click on the small icon next to the title of the document in the titlebar to get the path --not very intuitive!].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use &#8220;Save As&#8221; for a completely different purpose: to show me where my file lives on my computer.  This is something that I learned on Windows before migrating over to a Mac a decade ago, but worked quite well in OSX until the Lion release.  Today in TextEdit, I was flabbergasted that I couldn&#8217;t figure out how to view the path to my open file without renaming it or leaving the app and doing a search for it.  [I have since figured out that you can right-click on the small icon next to the title of the document in the titlebar to get the path --not very intuitive!].</p>
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		<title>Comment on Save Save As by Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/save-save-as/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy: They&#039;re getting rid of &quot;Save&quot; as a thing novices need to do, ever.

Versioning should be in the file system. People shouldn&#039;t lose data if they&#039;ve forgotten to &quot;save&quot; before closing (or, they select the wrong option in a dialog they didn&#039;t read or thought was from a different application).

You admit novices don&#039;t need to go back to previous versions of docs. They they won&#039;t. Then versioning is for advanced users who, honestly, WOULD benefit from versioning at the OS level. And Duplicate pretty much equals Save A Copy.

The problem is simply switching costs for the user, and Apple usually ignores those if they think the benefits are worth it, and they&#039;ve got the success of workflows on iOS to back them on this one.

If there&#039;s one bad point to all of this, it&#039;s this transition period where some-to-most of your apps haven&#039;t been updated for this. You can&#039;t take advantage of this switch when Office &#039;11 still forces you to Cmd-S constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy: They&#8217;re getting rid of &#8220;Save&#8221; as a thing novices need to do, ever.</p>
<p>Versioning should be in the file system. People shouldn&#8217;t lose data if they&#8217;ve forgotten to &#8220;save&#8221; before closing (or, they select the wrong option in a dialog they didn&#8217;t read or thought was from a different application).</p>
<p>You admit novices don&#8217;t need to go back to previous versions of docs. They they won&#8217;t. Then versioning is for advanced users who, honestly, WOULD benefit from versioning at the OS level. And Duplicate pretty much equals Save A Copy.</p>
<p>The problem is simply switching costs for the user, and Apple usually ignores those if they think the benefits are worth it, and they&#8217;ve got the success of workflows on iOS to back them on this one.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s one bad point to all of this, it&#8217;s this transition period where some-to-most of your apps haven&#8217;t been updated for this. You can&#8217;t take advantage of this switch when Office &#8217;11 still forces you to Cmd-S constantly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 9/11 Year 10: My 9/11 Experience by Remembering 9/11 &#124; Usability Counts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remembering 9/11 &#124; Usability Counts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasn&#8217;t in New York on 9/11. I don&#8217;t have the stories of a Dan Saffer and Jeffrey [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wasn&#8217;t in New York on 9/11. I don&#8217;t have the stories of a Dan Saffer and Jeffrey [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 9/11 Year 10: My 9/11 Experience by Harry van der Veen</title>
		<link>http://www.odannyboy.com/2011/09/911-year-10-my-911-experience/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry van der Veen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Dan, amazing story. I&#039;m happy you were ok that day and that I have the privilege to know you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Dan, amazing story. I&#8217;m happy you were ok that day and that I have the privilege to know you.</p>
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